Rolling Stone Magazine Interview, June, 1984
AMANDA PLUMMER ACTS DIFFERENTLY
by Don Shewey (Rolling Stone, 6-1984)
'Amanda
Plummer is not the girl next door- Unless, that is, you live on Mars. It's not that
she's a space cadet. She's just unlike any other actress you've met. She came out
of nowhere less than five years ago and burst onto the stage and screen- not just
a promising lump of flesh begging to be noticed in small roles, but a full-blown
actress with imagination and mannerisms of her own. Her professional debut as a wizened
fourteen year old farm girl in an off-Broadway play called Artichoke earned her raves
that have been echoed ever since. One critic called her "charming," while
another said, "She quivers, her voice is a nasal squeak, her stare is glittery
and hypnotic, and her upper lip moves in perpetual rumination." That performance
even earned her the honor of being singled out for attack by critic John Simon, who
said she was like "Shirley Temple doing Boris Karloff." Plummer broke into
movies as the star of the offbeat western Cattle Annie and Little Britches, which
prompted Pauline Kael to write, "The only other actress I've seen make a movie
debut this excitingly. weirdly lyric was Katharine Hepburn."
Dorothy Parker
once said of Katharine Hepburn, "She runs the gamut of emotions from A to B,"
and one could similarly characterize the range of roles Amanda Plummer has thus far
essayed. There was Vera, the high strung teenage orphan in A Month in the Country;
Frankie, the teenage ugly duckling in The Member of the Wedding; Jo, the pregnant
teenager abandoned by her mother in A Taste of Honey; Ellen James, the teenage orphan
who has her tongue cut out by rapists in the movie The World According to Garp. Get
the picture? If it were anyone else playing such an unbroken succession of orphans
and eccentrics, the world would be sick and tired of her. They would be clamoring
for Boris Karloff to eat this pathetic little Shirley Temple.
But Amanda Plummer
is no doe-eyed simp, no professional victim. She's, how you say, special. She won
a Tony Award on Broadway for Agnes of God, a poor play but one that she made riveting
with her performance as an emotionally disturbed nun who kills her baby.
Possibly
her most spectacular performance yet is in Sidney Lumet's new movie, Daniel, in which
she and Timothy Hutton play characters based on the children of Julius and Ethel
Rosenberg. Before our eyes, she degenerates from an Ivy League revolutionary proud
of her police-inflicted battle scars to an institutionized Thorazine receptacle,
burned up by her own anger, her past, her sense of social injustice. Plummer acts-
no, lays herself bare- with an animalistic intensity, an alien vitality that's enough
to make anyone wonder, "Where is this girl coming from?"
Technically
speaking, Amanda Plummer came from the brief marriage of two flamboyant actors, Tammy
Grimes and Christopher Plummer. To some people, that explains everything. Hamlet
meets the Unsinkable Molly Brown. No wonder their daughter is funny and flighty,
grave and giggly; solemn and spooky; it's all in the genes. Or is it? It's true that
Amanda inherited her father's aquiline profile along with his last name, and that
she has her mother's eccentric voice; she chews her vowels and swallows her consonanats
in a high-pitched, squawky slur. But there's more to Amanda Plummer; anyone who's
seen her perform can tell she's got a whole secret life going on inside her head.
And no matter what kind of frail creature she's playing, her secret makes her strong.
But the secretiveness that makes her so provocative onstage can make her appearances
in real life strange. Plummer shows up for interview looking like something from
Loon Lake, barefoot and bedraggled, with a boy she met on the beach whose name she
can't remember. "This is ...I forget your name," she says to the sullen
youth, who sticks out his paw and mumbles, "Matt." Plummer is wearing her
bathing suit under what looks like a rumpled nightgown. Her short, reddish- brown
hair is tucked into a purple headband. She's carrying a pair of baby-blue shoes,
and she tows her handbag along the ground like a bobsled.
"How you doon?"
she says, tilting her head to one side like a nervous crow and crooning in a voice
eerily reminischent of beatnik girls and die-hard Method actors. Al Pacino meets
Rickie Lee Jones. In the car, she runs her toes through the plush carpeting and talks
about her cat, Isadora, who tore up the apartment she was staying in, forcing her
to move. When we get to the restaurant she's chosen for lunch, she lags behind, humming
to herself and dragging her feet like a bored child. Where is this girl coming from?
Although
she's twenty-six, you'd never accuse Amanda Plummer of being an adult . She giggles
and gets ahead of herself when she speaks, babbles and backtracks. Ask her a question
and sometimes she goes into herself looking for an answer, a word, a feeling, that
you wonder if she'll ever come back. And then, sometimes, a surprisingly sophisticated
response will come off the top of her head. When she's not tuned in to another planet,
she seems so defenseless that, as one person after another will testify, you just
want to throw your arms around her. Meet Amanda Plummer, space puppy.
"Because
you are an actor's daughter or son, it's assumed that you're terribly unhappy because
they were working and not around," she says. "But I had a fascinating childhood."
We're sitting in Fairfield's a suburban San Diego bar and grill with loud cha-cha
Muzak, where actors from the nearby La Jolla Playhouse repair after the show to discuss
how well the audience performed that night. Plummer orders cheesecake for lunch,
between Cokes and cigarettes. She has the day off from rehearsing the lead in Romeo
and Juliet, a part she craved since she was nine.
"My parents stuffed me
with poetry and music and beauty." she continues. "Mum...Mum's a great
lady. And Dad, who didn't spend much time with me when I was growing up. The way
I saw him was on stage and screen." She doesn't mean it to sound so pitiful.
"It's not a sob story, that's just the way it was. I love my father so fuckin'
much. I didn't know what to do with all the love I have for him. We get together
now, and we have a great time."
That doesn't mean she wasn't a weird kid.
Left alone with her mother, when her father asked for a divorce, left alone with
nannies when her mother went on tour, left alone with her imagination when nannies
came and went, she retreated into her own private world.
"I was a morbid
child, obsessed with blood and darkness," Plummer says pleasantly, like some
Victorian great-aunt recalling a favorite niece. "I didn't like being Amanda
Plummer. I never liked being Amanda Plummer, not since I was so big", she says
(well, our suspicions have been confirmed), nibbling cheesecake while a chintzy version
of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La Da" blares from the bar. "I was always being characters,
ever since I was in first grade. I would make up a characters that would last a whole
year, and I would go to school as him or her or it. I had some that were its. When
I was a kid, it was easier to be animals. The psychology wasn't quite there- it was
more like kill or be eaten. You know, stalk, fight, play. Being an animal had its
hierarchy, too. The highest was a cheetah. She's the sleekest, and she can run the
fastest. When I was feeling my best, then I was worthy to be a cheetah. Lions were
for when I was very lazy. After I ate, I usually was a lion.
She pushes her plate
aside and lights a Parliament. "But as I got older, it got into boy stuff,"
she says. "First, I started with people in movies, like To Kill a Mockingbird.
I saw that when I was thirteen. I was Jem--Jem Finch. You know, Gregory Peck's character's
son. And my girlfriend Leslie was Scout. We would go to school as these people and
think and act and walk like them. Then I started inventing my own characters and
keeping diaries of the people I was. I still have some of them, and they're really
weird."
Plummer laughs all of a sudden and her low, lusty chuckle comes
as a shock. You forget she's a twenty six year woman who's been around the block
a couple of times. It must be because she's so skinny and wide-eyed, and so, ah,
in touch with her childhood fantasies.
"When I was fifteen, I hadda be
somebody I hated, 'cause I really hated myself at fifteen," she continues. I
hadda be Asenath Baleland. Asenath was awful, and she wrote tiny. She wrote, you
know, that tiny little perfect kind of writing, flowery and ...oh she was a pain
in the ass." She sighs, "But- I had to be her. You know that time when
you're going through sexual realizations, and they're not that comfortable?"
She embodied that totally. "Characters that I would be were what I was going
through a lot of times." She puffs on her cigarette. "I don't really know
how to explain it," she says in her baby voice, stubbing out the butt. "See,
I wanted to belong in a boy's world very badly, ever since I was a kid. I loved playing
with boys. I was considered a different kind of girl because they could talk to me
and fight with me on their level. But, on a girl level I was so introverted, I'd
race through the halls. I had crushes all the time, but I was too shy. I found a
happy medium- that I am a boy and I am a girl. You're everything, so it's okay. Asenath
eventually passed, and I worked my way up to Thomason Harboard boy-girl."
Uh, Amberstwyth? "She would fly! She was the rain, she was the sky, she was
anything she wanted to be. That was the hardest one. I failed all the time, and I
went into a depression because of it. When I couldn't be her, all of the sudden I
had to be Amanda, 'cause she was the highest of highs, and I couldn't go backward.
It was the height of my wanting to leave this time. I'd do things to kind of click
me out of time, so that I'd end up somewhere else. I would brush my teeth, wash my
face, go to the bathroom all in different orders every morning. If I caught the right
order on the right day, I would disappear. This is serious. This is weird!"
She does that strange, throaty laugh again. "I was seventeen- rather old to
be doing things like this," she says. "it's funny now; it wasn't funny
at the time." No kidding. These characters sound cute and exotic- definitely
not girl-next-door type stuff. But imagine how lonely it must be to tour the ozone
by yourself, and how painful to return to earth.
"When I was in high school,
I was goin' through a very unhappy time. I was depressed. Most kids are, aren't they?
An' I'd go, "What am I gonna do with my life?" Plummer reaches for another
cigarette. "It was hard, because I didn't know what to do. I didn't have friends,
except for Leslie. And I had a very hard time in the world. I still do. I'm working
now, so I have someplace to put it all. I didn't then. I'd go home and go into crying
fits because I saw a fur, a mink coat in a window. I couldn't stand killing animals.
I would follow women who wore leopard-skin coats down the streets. I would follow
them and swear at them. They'd walk faster and faster. It was, like, crazy, you know?
I couldn't deal with it. Everyone seemed murderous to me. I think I identified a
great deal with animals. I felt very victimized."
Gust of cigarette smoke.
"It's complicated stuff. I just got very unhappy. I didn't know what to do.
How am I gonna live? Can I live? Can I live in this world? How can I be a part of
this world? Do I wanna be a part of this world?"
Things got really bad during
her senior year in high school. She skipped school for a whole month. She refused
to answer the telephone. She tried her damnedest to click herself out of time, to
be Amberstwyth, the highest of highs. She was on the verge of flipping out. She couldn't
contain her sensitivity and imagination any longer. She had to find a way to let
it all out before it destroyed her. She couldn't be Asenath or Thomason or the rain
or the sky anymore. She had to be herself. She had to be an actor. She went to Middlebury
College in Vermont and tried out for plays. Wouldn't you know it? The first part
she got was the one for which her mother won a Tony Award- the character in Noel
Coward's Private Lives that she had been named after. Finally, for the first time,
she was Amanda. Where was this girl coming from?
Born in a trunk isn't far
wrong. Her first home was on Bank Street in Greenwich Village, actually, but when
she was barely out of diapers, before she was already appearing on Broadway, as the
baby in the boat in The Unsinkable Molly Brown, the long running musical that made
Tammy Grimes a star. And she played nonspeaking roles on tour with her mother in
Finian's Rainbox and The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. She grew up fast.
"Backstage
isn't a child's world," says Grimes over the phone in her trademark brandy-for-breakfast
whisper. "You have to be quiet and professional, and everyone has a job. A mother
can't be a mother, because you've got this work to do. A child is an outsider, a
guest."
Grimes tries not to sound defensive about being a working mother
with divided attentions. When she had Amanda, she was only twenty-three, a shy girl
from a rich Boston family and shocked at sudden stardom and equally swift parenthood.
So don't think ill of her for bringing up baby Amanda as an outsider in that quiet
world halfway between art and life. Sitting on the sidelines in darkened theaters
taught the child about silence and observation. Watching her mother plan her days
around those three hours onstage each night taught her about discipline and instilled
in her the routine of performance. You have to be worthy of the role, whether you're
Molly Brown or Amanda.
Or a cheetah. Did Amanda ever discuss the characters
she invented? "There was a whole world going on in her room. All over the wall
were directions, like 'Mr. and Mrs. Jenkins won't be home for tea' or 'Go to the
North Pole and turn right.' I never asked. A kid has lots of secrets.
In fact,
Amanda's desire to act came as a surprise. As a child, she was so obsessed with animals,
especially horses, that it was assumed she would be a veterinarian or a jockely.
"She was a beautiful writer, though," her mother recalls. She reads Amanda's
inscription on a book called Poems That have Missed Their Mark, which Amanda gave
her for Christmas years ago. "I hope I've rid myself of improvised crap- onward
to preciseness."
Grimes begins to read from her daughter's own poetry-
romantic verses surprisingly dense with Shakespearean imagery for a ten year old-
and she becomes increasingly emotional. "I had the strength for my work and
for her:, the actress confesses, breaking off her recitation. "Because I could
never get a marriage to work, she's the most important emotional relationship I have."
She returns to the book of poems, reading only snatches now. "Please Mommy,
never be sorry that you miss me so...My mother's beautiful eyes...I love you so...My
mother..."
Grii
m es begins to weep softly. "Sorry." Sniffling, "Guess I'm not sorry."
This must be what it's like to have an actress for a mother. She's forgotten who
she's talking to. "Now your weepy mother is gonna sign off, Amanda, I miss you."
"I never wanted to go into the the theater," Amanda Plummer says. "I
never even liked actors. They seemed to be very loud and very theatrical, and I didn't
believe anything they said. Give an actor a drink and...." She giggles, "I
thought they were all liars."
After lunch, Plummer says she needs to pick
up some things at the drugstore, so we walk across the parking lot to the shopping
mall. She's still barefoot. She likes the feel of hot pavement.
"George
C. Scott was real. I liked him," she reminisces. "He wasn't ever patronizing
to a child. Beatrice Lillie spent a lot of time with me. She loved to play with balloons,
letting them go. And Gregory Peck! I met him one time in his swimming trunks. He
put me on his back and dove into the pool and played whale with me. I was just a
little girl, but"- she leans in close and speaks in a low gruff voice- "I
was aware of what was in his swimming trunks!" She laughs and runs off to buy
Tampax and Clearasil.
Watching this strange bird tiptoe across the cold floor
of the drugstore, singing to herself and rummaging through her purse, where twenty-
and fifty- dollar bills are flying around loose, I wonder what Freud would have to
say about Amanda Plummer. That she refused to be a Plummer when she was growing up
because she was mad at her daddy for leaving her? That she resisted her mother's
lifestyle and profession? Actors can be amazingly blatant about the emotional needs
that drive them to exhibit themselves in front of an audience. And the way Plummer
talks about roles, she's played betrays a transparent identification with the characters.
"Romeo and Juliet: taps into the most insecure part of me- to actually be loved,
to open yourself up that much! I mean, I'm not loved onstage. I'm usually abandoned
or tortured. You become very strong and decide, 'I don't need anybody.' But you have
to accept people. That's what happened with Jo in A Taste of Honey. She had to breathe
in a little and understand and accept her mother."
But great acting defied
analysis. Freudian or otherwise. Whatever the secret ingredient is that makes acting
more than an imitation of life, whatever it is that translates childhood bruises
into universal truth. Wherever this girl is coming from. I can't wait to see where
she's going.
The next day, Plummer is rehearsing a soliloquy from Romeo and
Juliet. The rest of the cast has gone home, and she's working alone with director
Des Mcanuff, a young playwright and rock musician who is also one of the most talented
directors in America. It's an indication of Plummer's canny instincts that she turned
down an offer to play Juliet on Broadway in order to try out the role at the brand-new
theater in La Jolla, where McAnuff is the artistic director.
"She's phenomenal,"
McAnuff whispers in my ear, like a man who's won the lottery and doesn't want anyone
to hit him up for a loan. "She's the most emotionally free actor I've ever worked
with, She seems so young, you believe that her Juliet is fourteen- yet she's also
very practical and direct. There's so much emotion there!" He shrugs. "She
just blows me away."
The speech they're working on is the one that begins,
"Gallop apace you fiery-footed steeds..." Juliet is waiting for the night
to fall so newlywed Romeo can show her what's in his swimming trunks. Plummer does
the speech four or five times stopping and starting, correcting herself, toying with
inflections, giving completely different line readings, not discarding them because
they're wrong, but moving through them, trying them on for size. From her fantasies
as a child, she's apparently learned to be completely oblivious to the reality around
her so she really seems to be talking to herself yet at the same time extravagantly
physicalizing her inner thoughts.
"With Amanda, it goes past acting. It
comes from some secret place beyond being an actor, says Daniel director Sidney Lumet,
who compares Plummer to the young Marlon Brando. "She's got a wellspring of
talent that's unfathomable.: He speaks of his favorite moments of Plummer's performance
in the movie- the scene in the hospital where she tells Timothy Hutton, "I feel
like something's torn..." and then, her eyes flashing, mind drifting, she forgets
who she is or what she's saying. In that instant of falling apart, she embodies everything
the movie means to convey about the burden of heredity and the price of political
idealism. Says Lumet, "You don't get acting any better than that."
Other directors and stars who have worked with Plummer offer similarly high praise,
but she is not so easily pleased. Much as she liked working with the director and
cast of Daniel, she isn't satisfied with her performance. "I think I overacted,
damn it," she grumbles. "It seemed all right at the time."
Even
some of her admirers object to Plummer's work in Daniel- they've had enough of her
wounded-creature act. A Vogue editor hisses, "I wish she'd play someone healthy.:
A well known director feels the same way about her decision to play Laura, the crippled
young dreamer, in the upcoming Broadway revival of Tennessee Williams' The Glass
Menagerie: "You could call her up at four in the morning and she could do that
part."
Plummer knows she needs a change of pace. That's exactly why, when
Daniel debuts before American moviegoers, she'll be treading the boards in Southern
California as Shakespeare's Juliet. A fourteen year-old suicide, it's true, but for
once, a lover. "Yeah." she says, "It's about time. I've been 'waifish'
long enough. I'm lucky not to have a conventional face or a conventionally beautiful
body, because the kind of roles I get are the most fascinating of any roles. But
I'm dying to do the girl next door."
She peers up through her spiky hair
with a crooked grin "I could make the girl next door pretty interesting."