THIRTEENTH GENERATION
VQ5RS
4804. Nicholas Lobden /Lobdell (="Kort Nicholas")
"LOBDELL, or LOBDEN, ...(4804) NICHOLAS, Hingham 1636, had that yr. gr. of ld.; but Lincoln, 44, spells the name lobdin."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
iii. Simon Lobdell
BEF 1669 CT
"PIERCE, ...MICHAEL, Hingham 1646, had there bapt. that yr. (4805iii[1]) Persis; other ch. were Benjamin, John, (9277vi[1]a[1]) Ephraim, Elizabeth Deborah, Ann, Abia, and Ruth, all nam. in his will, beside prob. Abigail, b. 1662, when his w. d. Soon aft, he rem. to Scituate, took sec. w. Ann; was a capt. of great bravery, in command of 50 Eng. and 20 friend. Ind. from Cape Cod. in Philip's war, and was with most of them k. 26 Mar. 1676, at Pawtucket fight in Rehoboth. Deane, 122, 325."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
"LOBDELL, or LOBDEN, ...(4805iii) SIMON, Milford, Hartford 1655, freem. 1657, rem. to Springfield, there from 1666 to 74, was pris.-keep. and had Elizabeth b. 1669; and Joshua, 1671; beside Ann, 1674; rem. to M. and there had Rebecca, bapt. 1677, and, perhaps, other ch. Lambert is, perhaps, wrong by thirty yrs. in mark. him of Milford 1645. (4805iv) Elizabeth possib. his sis. m. at Boston 1651, (4805iv[1]) Jonathan Burt of Springfield; and (4805v) Ann, ano. sis. perhaps m. 3 Jan. 1660, (4805v[1]) Samuel Terry of S."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
20 Oct. 1651 Boston, Suffolk /Springfield, Hampden, MA
"BURT, ...(4805iv[1]) JONATHAN Springfield, eldest s. of Henry, b. in Eng. m. at Boston, 1651, (4805iv) Elizabeth Lobdell, had Elizabeth b. 29 Dec. 1652, wh. m. 29 Jan. 1673, Vicary Sikes; Joanthan, 12 Sept. 1654; Sarah, 4 Sept. 1656, wh. m. 1675, Benjamin Dorchester, and, next, 1677, Luke Hitchcock; John, 23 Aug. 1658; Mercy, 7 Aug. 1661, wh. d. at 22 yrs. and HENRY, 11 Dec. 1663; was a man of note, and deac. His w. d. 11 Nov. 1684, and he m. 14 Dec. 1686, Deliverance, wid. of Thomas Hanchet, and d. 19 Oct. 1715."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
1689
"TERRY, ...(4805v_a) SAMUEL, Enfield, s. of the preced. m. 17 May 1682, (4805v_[2]) Hannah, sis. of (9861vi[1][1]) Isaac Morgan, I think, and said to have been the first m. in that sett. bef. it was made a town by separat. from Springfield, had Hannah, b. 18 Nov. 1684; (4805b_a1) Samuel, 26 Mar. 1690; Rebecca, 15 Nov. 1692; Ebenezer, 31 Mar. 1696; and Benjamin, 13 Oct. 1698; and his w. d. 17 Jan. 1697. By sec. w. m. 4 Jan.1699, Martha, wid. of Benjamin Crane, whose surname, as Goodwin has it, Credan, looks very strange, he had Ephraim, b. 24 Oct. 1701; Jacob, 20 Feb. 1704; Martha, perhaps 18 Feb. 1706, d. next mo. Jonathan, 17 Nov. 1707; and Isaac, 17 Apr. 1713; and d. 1730. His wid. d. 29 May 1743."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
"LOBDELL, or LOBDEN, ...(4805viii) JOHN, Hull, perhaps br. of the preced. m. 29 July 1609, (4805viii[1]) Hannah, d. of John Leavitt, wh. d. 23 Apr. 1662, and he d. 1673, the same yr. in wh. he was freem. and Nathaniel Bosworth, call. his f.-in-law, had admin. of his est. wh. was good.."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
1 "I will be very interested to see what lineage the M&J people have found for (4804) Nicholas Lobdell. It is possible that Nicholas could have crossed in the Mary & John in 1630, then gone back to Devon to get his wife and children, since we know that (4805iii) Simon was b. in Northam in Nov/Dec 1632. There's no other Nicholas available unless we assume without evidence that the Nicholas of 1630 was Nicholas (b. 1578) and the (4804) Nicholas of 1635 a putative Nicholas b. 1605 (as Douglas Richardson suggests) -- or the other way 'round. There are no records I know of for any Lobdell births in Northam (Devon) before (4805ii) James, son of Nicholas, in 1629/30, and we know Nicholas (b. 1578 in Eastbourne) was in Northam in 1598. His cousin (19217[1]ii_b) Nicholas (b. 1575) d. 1621 and names usually skipped a generation in the family. My own guess is that both Nicholas (b. 1575) and Nicholas (b. 1578) served in the Dutch Wars, that they were known as Long Nicholas (b. 1575) and Short ("Kort") Nicholas (b. 1578), that Kort Nicholas is the "Cornelius" Lobden of Greenwich CT legend (first printed 1853) who leapt from the rocks known as Lobden's (now "Aladdin's") Leap, that he had therefore been in the NY/CT area as early as the 1620s, gone back to Devon, come back on the M&J, went back, and finally brought his young family over in 1635. But I have no documents yet to support (or oppose) this."
-- Jared Lobdell jlobdell54@hotmail.com http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?nicholas::lobdell::325.html 7 Mar. 2002
"The earliest mention of the name that I have found comes from the Sussex (Eng) tax rolls (for, if I recall, Ecclesdon and Preston cum Hova (Preston-with-Hove) of 1296, in the names of Robert de Loppedell and Agatha [or Agnes?] de Loppedell. In the next generation were Robert de Loppedell (I assume the eldest son who got the land), William de Loppedell, in orders and apparently a member of the English embassy to France in the matter of the so-called War of St.-Sardos (1322), and Thomas de Loppedell, Rector of East Hoathly in Sussex, who died in the Black Death of 1348-9. The name appears in Roger (a knight if I recall, in Middlesex) in the XIVth c., and then in the line of (19217[1]ii) Stephen Lopdell of the Isle of Horsey, near Eastbourne (Sussex) in 1467, William (probably his son d. circa 1525), John, William, and Nicholas. The name Lobdell or Lopdell as a placename is supposed to mean Spider Valley (AS hloppa, spider, and dell for valley), which I take to have been a singular location somewhere near the Bourne (river) in Sussex. It would seem that the name is a locative "of Spider Valley" and that the family was of Anglo-Norman stock (Norman because they owned land under Edward I and presumably Henry III but Anglo- because they were not major land holders likely to have preserved pure Norman lines on both sides)."
-- ibid., 15 Aug. 2000, http://genforum.genealogy.com/lobdell/messages/141.html
I couldn't find a publicly-accessible Lobdell DNA project online, so the following is from Ysearch. User #VQ5RF claims our (4804) Nicholas as an ancestor, but he only was tested for 12 markers. All other Ysearch users with these markers are in the Hg R1b family. Line VQ5RF can be tracked in this genealogy by the symbol .
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This DNA type, which Sykes calls OGAP-35 and Campbell calls R1b-10, appears to be widespread in the UK. In England, it is most common in Norfolk and Northumberland and least common in Yorkshire and Cornwall.
"Re: Nicholas Lobden/Lobdell
"Douglas Richardson's brief article in the American Genealogist (I think) back in the 1970s gives (2402) Nicholas as the father of (2403iii) Simon bapt Dec 1632 at Northam. Nicholas, b. 1578, formerly of Eastbourne in Sussex, is in Northam in 1598. Richardson took Nicholas b. 1578 and Simon b. 1632 and interpolated a second Nicholas b. 1605, but with a Nicholas b. 1578 (no death date) and a Nicholas d. 1651 (no birth date), I have come to believe they're the same Nicholas. After all, Simon lived to be 84/85, dying in 1717. Very fragmentary evidence (see my article in SUSSEX FAMILY HISTORY a few years back) suggests Nicholas may have been in Dutch service 1615-23[?] in America, before returning to England. Certainly his brother George's will (1620) suggests an expected but uncertain return to England. The "Lobden" spelling may well be Dutch -- it was also similar to the Devon spelling (Crediton, Cheriton) of Lobden or Lobdon."
-- http://genforum.genealogy.com/lobdell/messages/503.html
Posted by: Jared Lobdell (ID *****9295) Date: October 17, 2007 at 09:27:53
In Reply to: Re: Nicholas Lobden/Lobdell by Jared Olar of 550
"WARD, ...(4806) SAMUEL, Hingham 1636, cooper, freem. 9 Mar. 1637, was rep. that yr. in Nov. and the next in Mar. made town clk. 1646; may have been f. of (4807ii) Henry, and perhaps had more ch. I presume he is the benefactor [[vol. 4, p. 413]] wh. gave to Harv. Col. the island lying off the harbor of Hingham, call. Bunkin's o[r] Ward's island, and he may be the same that liv. 1658-77 at Charlestown, and d. there, 31 Aug. 1682, aged 89, wh. as Noahdiah Russell in his Diary tells, gave L4. to the Coll. See Geneal. Reg. VII. 57. His wid. (4806[2]) Frances, wh. was not his first w. d. 10 June 1690, aged 83."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
"WARD, ...(4807ii) HENRY, Hingham, perhaps s. of (4806) Samuel, was engag. in the early settlem. of Lancaster, m. at H. Feb. 1660, (4807ii[1]) Remember, d. of John Farrow of the same, had Elizabeth but no more is kn. of him."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
1662 Salem, Essex, MA
"MAVERICK, ...MOSES, Salem, perhaps br. of the first Elias, freem. 3 Sept. 1634, tho. Felt ins. his name with w. in the list of ch. memb. under 1637, and so he must believe tbat he had been accept. in ano. town, had Rebecca, bapt. 7 Aug. 1639; Mary, 14 Feb. 1641, d. at 15 yrs.; (4807iv[1]) Abigail, 12 Jan. 1645; Elizabeth 3 Dec. 1646, d. soon; Samuel, 19 Dec. 1647; (4823v[1]) Elizabeth again, 30 Sept. 1649, wh. m. 6 Apr. 1665, (4823v) Nathaniel Grafton; Remember, 12 Sept. 1652; Mary, again, 6 Sept. 1657; [[vol. 3, p. 181]] and a s. wh. name is not in the rec. 20 Mar. 1663; beside Sarah, wh. is not found in the rec.
"He liv. on Marblehead side, was one of the found. of the ch. 24 May 1684, and d. 28 Jan. 1686, aged 76, wh. date, Farmer says, Dana mistook. His w. Remember, d. of famous Isaac Allerton (but in Geneal. Reg. VIII. 270, she is call. Sarah, and possib. he had both to w. tho. it seems not prob.) d. aft. 1652, and he m. 22 Oct. 1656, Eunice, wid. of Thomas Roberts
"His d. Rebecca m. 3 June 1658, John Hawkes of Lynn, and d. soon aft. b. of s. Moses, next yr. His will, pro. 30 Mar. 1686, names w. and Moses, the only surv. ch. of his d. Rebecca; four ch. of his dec. d. Abigail, viz.: Samuel Ward, Abigail Hinds, Mary Dollabar, and Martha Ward; and four liv. ds. viz.: Elizabeth Skinner; Remember Woodman; Mary, w. of Archibald Ferguson; and Sarah, w. of John Norman. PAUL, Boston, s. of the first Elias, m. Jemima, d. of lieut. John Smith, had Moses, b. 8 Feb. bapt. at Charlestown, 11 Sept. 1681; Jotham, 28 Oct. 1683; John, 14 Aug. 1687, one yr. old."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
"HUBBARD, ...*(4807iv[2][1]) RICHARD, Ipswich, s. of William the first of the same, came with his f. and br. William, emb. 17 July 1635, at London, m. (4807iv[2]) Sarah, d. of Gov. Bradstreet, was rep. 1660, as by mistake Farmer said, d. 3 May 1681, leav. Sarah; Richard; Nathaniel; John; and Simon. His wid. m. (4807iv) capt. Samuel Ward. Sarah m. Rev. John Cotton of Yarmouth."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
9609. unknown (F)
"Re: Nicholas Lobden/Lobdell
Posted by: Jared Lobdell (ID *****9295) Date: August 29, 2004 at 18:02:38
In Reply to: Re: Nicholas Lobden/Lobdell by Nancy Curtis of 550
"(4804) Nicholas was the son of (9608) William (1535?-1588), son of (19216) Nicholas (1500?-1546), son of (38434?) William (1460?-1530?), son (I think) of (76868?) Stephen (1430?-1500?) of Horsey, nr Eastbourne, Sussex, where the family goes back to at least 1296. -- Jared"
-- http://genforum.genealogy.com/lobdell/messages/432.html
9613. Anne unknown
9615. unknown (F)
Some have (4807) Mary as the d/o Edward Hilliard of Salem; but note the following:
"HILLIARD, ...(NOT 9614) EDWARD, Salem, by w. Martha had Elizabeth b. 14 Oct. 1658, but, no doubt, the last fig. is wrong; and (if rec. be good), Mary, 30 May 1659; Edward, 16 Oct. 1660; Sarah, 8 Sept. 1662; David, 11 Dec. 1665; Jonathan, 6 Feb. 1668; and Joseph, 4 Jan. 1673. Sometimes it is spell. Helliard. Elizabeth m. 14 Sept. 1669, Gilbert Peters. Mary m. 30 Aug. 1672, William West, it is said; but she was too young."
REF: http://www.familysearch.org/Search/af/ancestral_file_frame.asp?recid=21919974
-- James Savage, op. cit.
FIFTEENTH GENERATION
19216. Nicholas Lopdell/ Lobdell
(="Long Nicholas")
"Re: Jared, where do you get your pre-Simon info? (msg)
Posted by: Jared Lobdell Date: October 13, 2001 at 06:13:29
In Reply to: Re: Jared, where do you get your pre-(4805iii) Simon info? (msg) by Jared Lobdell of 550
"Marilyn -- You might be interested to know that there is an ancient connection between the Burton and Lobdell (Lopdell) families in Sussex. (76868?) Stephen Lopdyll (so spelled) in the 1400s in Eastbourne held his land (and mill?) as feoffee in use to Richard Burton of Chiddingly. In the next century, (19217) Agnes, the widow of (19216) Nicholas Lobdell (Lopdell) -- he d. in 1546 and was grandfather of (4804) Nicholas b. 1578 -- m. as her second husband one (19217[2]) Thomas Burton, who was thus stepfather to William Lobdell (d. 1588), father of (4808) Nicholas (b. 1578) and (19217[1]ii) John Lopdell (d. 1592), father of (19217[1]ii_b) Nicholas (1575-1621), not ours. Agnes Lopdell Burton and her husband kept the deeds to the Lopdell property in Hailsham, Eastbourne, and Willingdon, and were sued by (19217[1]ii_a) Agnes Lopdell Payne (dau of John Lopdell and perhaps sister of (19217[1]ii_b) Nicholas) and her husband (19217[1]ii_a[1]) John Payne. References PRO C/1/35/43 on Stephen and PRO 1/1461/11-12 on (19217) Agnes and (19217[1]ii_a) Agnes. -- Jared Lobdell"
-- http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?eastbourne::lobdell::267.html
"Re: Nicholas Lobden/Lobdell
"(4804) Nicholas (b. 1578) was certainly the son of (9608) William and William was certainly the son of (19216) Nicholas (d. 1546): that's in the records. Whether (19216) Nicholas was the son of (38432?) John (d. 1543) and whether John was the son of (76864?) William (d. after 1525) is probable but not certain -- John is listed as William's assistant in 1525. William is almost certainly the (9608) William of 1489, and the linking of the Burton family with (76868?) Stephen (fl. 1467) and William and (19216) Nicholas (whose widow married a Burton from the family next to whose lands Stephen's mill operated), as well as their location within a restricted area of Eastbourne, strongly suggests the family link. "Stephen's parentage is uncertain, as is any connection with the Lobden family of Devon (Crediton, not Northam), and indeed any direct connection with the Loppedell name in 13th and 14th century Sussex, or with Roger de Loppedell in 1349 in Middlesex. But the place name (going back to the 1200s at least) is connected with the area around Horsey, Eastbourne, Sussex, and the Christened names are all in the Norman tradition (Agnes occurs ca 1300 and ca 1600)-- and moreover, the "de Loppedell" form is interesting. It is possible that the "de Loppedell" of the 1300s is not connected with the Lopdell/Lopdyll of the 1400s, but it would be unlikely. So the connection of Nicholas (b 1578) with Stephen is attested (partly locationally and through the Burton connection), but before 1467 there's more guesswork."
-- http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?eastbourne::lobdell::505.html
Posted by: Jared Lobdell (ID *****9295) Date: October 19, 2007 at 05:27:18
In Reply to: Re: Nicholas Lobden/Lobdell by Jared Olar of 550
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