PERRY & PRENCE LINES continued

INDEX

FOURTEENTH GENERATION

9540. poss. John Burgess

9541. unknown (F)

The above family is not the "accepted wisdom" of online genealogies, most of which have (4770) Thomas Burgess's parents somewhere in Cornwall. Rather, it is based on a Thomas Burgess of the appropriate age in Chesihire, the only one I could find there. The yDNA of the Sandwich Burgesses resembles most closely that of the Burgesses of Cheshire, as well as those of Conway, NC:

Haplogroup

DYS
393

DYS
390

DYS
19/
394

DYS
391

DYS
385a

DYS
385b

DYS
426

DYS
388

DYS
439

DYS
389-1

DYS
392

DYS
389-2

DYS
458

DYS
459a

DYS
459b

DYS
455

DYS
454

DYS
447

DYS
437

DYS
448

DYS
449

DYS
464a

DYS
464b

DYS
464c

DYS
464d

DYS
460

H4
 

YCA
IIa

YCA
IIb

DYS
456

DYS
607

DYS
576

DYS
570

CDY
A

CDY
B

DYS
442

DYS
438

Ysearch kit #44XC3 Thomas Burgess b. 1602/03 of Sandwich, Barnstable, MA

R1b1b2 (tested)

13

23

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

30

17

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

31

15

15

16

17

11

11

19

23

15

15

18

17

38

39

11

12

Ysearch kit #59UP8 John Burgess b. 8 Feb. Tabley, c. 6 Apr 1817 St. Mary, Rostherne, Cheshire, England

R1b1b2 (tested)

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

30

14

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

31

15

16

17

17

Ysearch kit #RX5QA George Washington Burgess b. 3 July 1822 of Conway, Northampton, NC

R1b
(tested)

13

23

14

11

12

14

12

12

12

14

13

30

17

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

30

15

16

17

17

Most online genealogies of this family go back to Truro, Cornwall; but they are incorrect:

"...Current wisdom is that (4770) Thomas Burgess was the son of Thomas Burgess Jr. of Truro, Cornwall, and his wife Elizabeth Pye. He was the son of Thomas Burgess and Honour Sydenham (usually spelled Sidnam in America) and the grandson of Ellis Burgess and Catherine Corniche. All of this comes from the Heralds Visitation of Cornwall in 1620 and various Burgess, Sydenham and other wills. If so his father was the mayor of Truro and either his father, or grandfather was a member of Parliament for Truro in the first and last Parliaments of James I (Puritan parliaments). There is a serious, but not necessarily fatal flaw in this. The records of the Church of St. Mary Magdalen in Truro (where George Phippen was rector and the Burgesses worshiped) all survive. They do list the birth of a Thomas Burgess at about the correct time to Thomas Burgess Jr. and Elizabeth Pye. The problem is that they also list the death of a Thomas Burgess as an infant, and in the will of Thomas Burgess Jr. he mentions a son Thomas as a minor (too young to be our Thomas).

"The only hope for this line is that the death notice at St. Mary's does not call the father of the infant "Thomas Burgess Jr." as he is called in all the other parts of the record, families do use a name twice and our Thomas may have already married, or left the country by this time. Joe Burgess argues that the Truro family was literate (the elder Thomas signs his will) and Thomas Burgess of Sandwich signs his name with the letter "T" as his mark, and that makes this connection unlikely....

--Dean Burgess, 29 August 2000 c/o http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=glencoe&id=I6470

"...in the will of the latter Thomas [husb. of Eliz. Pye, of Truro], written 22 April 1626, his son Thomas was listed last of six sons who had not yet "accomplished the age of one and twenty," suggesting that he was the youngest, born probably not much before 1613 and quite likely several years later. This conclusion was supported by the 1620 Visitation of Truro, listing no Thomas among the children of Thomas and Elizabeth (Pye) Burgess."

-- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thesays/joan/pafn14.htm

9548. Thomas Prence II

9549. Elizabeth Tolderby

REF: http://www.familysearch.org/Search/af/ancestral_file_frame.asp?recid=7208461

9550. William Brewster IV, Elder

9551. Mary unknown



 
 

William Brewster


(9550) William Brewster IV was the oldest aboard the Mayflower, and the spiritual leader of the Pilgrims. A printer by trade, he was almost certainly the draftor of the Mayflower compact. Before this, he had been a prominent organizer of the Pilgrim movement, first in Scrooby, England, then in Leyden, Holland.

(9550) Brewster came to Scrooby in 1571 with his father and mother. He entereded Cambridge University in 1580, though he did not take a degree and perhaps stayed only a few months. In 1583 he became a member of the household of William Davidson, then important in administrative and diplomatic life at the court of Elizabeth. Becoming one of Davidson's trusted retainers, Brewster accompanied him on missions to the Netherlands in 1584 and in 1585-86. Despite the disgrace of Davison in 1587 as a result of his part in the execution of Mary Stuart, and his consequent retirement from public life, William remained in his service until news of his father's illness caused his return to Scrooby in 1589. (9550) William served as his father's deputy until the latter's death in 1590 and then was himself appointed to the positions of baliff and postmaster, retaining both until the exodus to Holland. Gradually he became the protector and then the principal member of a little congregation of Puritans, gathered from Scrooby and the near-by villages. They did not "separate" from the Established Church until the autumn of 1606, the year before John Robinson joined them. After some investigation of their proceedings by the High Commission of York, they decided to leave England, emigrating to Amsterdam, Holland in 1608. It was in Holland that they became known as Pilgrims.

Meeting with opposition in Amsterdam, they settled at Leyden in 1609. Here, if not earlier, Brewster became elder and teacher of the church. To earn a living, he printed of Puritan books, wirtten by the leaders in England, and shipped back to them for sale and distribution. In 1617 the plan for emigration to America took him and others to England where he interviewed officers of the Virginia Company and various royal officials to secure permission to colonize and obtain a grant of land. He was probably the principal envoy.

Returning to Leyden, (9550) Brewster printed in 1618 or 1619 a book which gave great offense to James I. Of this the English government complained to the Dutch authorities in 1619 with such effect that William felt it wiser to discontinue the press altogether and return with his family to England, where he seems to have lived unmolested until the Mayflower sailed in 1620. He played no part in the final steps at Leyden for the emigration to America and was not present when the decision was reached, that the majority should remain at Leyden with Robinson their minister, while the minority should attempt the venture, led by Brewster. It also seems probable that he played no important part in organizing the company which sailed for America direct from England, being fearful of royal interference with his own emigration. He embarked on the Mayflower at London with his wife, two sons, and two boys "bound out" to him.

At Plymouth, Brewster was the only church officer until 1629, but held services of prayer and praise only; he expounded the Scripture at length, but was forbidden by the rules to preach, baptize, or celebrate the communion. Though he was therefore never a minister in the Pilgrim sense of the word and though they "called" Smith, Roger Williams, Chauncey, and Reynor as their ministers later, he remained throughout his life the real leader of the church at Plymouth and the man chiefly responsible for its doctrines, observances, and worship. Administrative position was foreclosed to him by his position in the church but he was active in counsel and played a part second only to Bradford in all decisions, great and small. He became one of the Undertakers in 1627 who assumed the Pilgrim indebtedness.

Brewster 's library proves him to have been read in history, philosophy, and religious poetry and shows that he continued to buy books throughout his life. We have no idea of his personal appearance but we do know from the inventory of his property that he wore a violet colored cloth coat, black silk stockings, a ruff, and other clothing, of impeccable modesty, but less severe than the popular tradition attributes to the Pilgrims. Social life at Plymouth was undoubtedly quiet in the extreme but in it Brewster played a very important part, being, says Bradford, "of a very cherful Spirite, very sociable and pleasante amongst his friends." He died possessed of a house, lands, cattle, and personal property worth 107 pounds.

SRC:Mayflower Descendant, Vol's. III, IV; Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society 2nd ser., III, 261-74; V, 37-85, etc.

The maidename and parentage of William Brewster's wife are unknown and unproven. In fact, it is really not known whether (9551) Mary of the Mayflower was his first and only wife and mother of his children, or if she was a second wife. As to her identity, a number of theories exist. The most popular of all the theories, well liked by descendants due to the very distinguished nobility, is that she is Mary 9551, who had been a neighbor of William. This is also one of the most credible theories, but is not proven. It was advanced by John G. Hunt, of Bowling Green, VA but he later abandoned the 9551 theory in favor of Mary Wyrall of Loversall (near Doncaster), dau. of Thomas and Frences (Mallory) Wyrall in his 1984 booklet, "Of Mary Brewster", wherein he also elaborates Mary Wyrall's gentile ancestry, also containing royalty. This is also cited in Terry & Harding, "A Notebook on the Descendants of Elder William Brewster of Plymouth Colony". Other theories have also been proposed.

If Mary of the Mayflower were his second wife, the following marriage records are possible (Banks' English Ancestry p.35-9). 1. William Brewster and Mary Welles, June 21, 1599 at St. Mary Woolchurch, London. 2. William Bruster and Mary Scrobs Jan 24, 1604 in Stoke Bruern, Northants. 3. William Brewster and Mary Morden December 22, 1608 at St. Peter Eastgate, Lincoln. What is known is that his wife was named "Mary", was born Abt 1569, d. at Plymouth on 27 Apr 1627, and was probably from Scrooby.

REF: Cathy (Malfaedor@@aol.com) SRC: "Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol 2", compiled by Aileen Lewers Langston and J. Orton Buck, Jr.

Historians have wondered how more than 100 passengers of the "Mayflower" found sleeping space. Some have guessed that if the officers gave up most of their space, perhaps 54 parents and children could sleep in tiers of double bunks there. Single men and boys could bed down on hammocks between decks. Nobody had privacy. There were no sanitary facilities. Fresh water was too scarce for washing, and the stench in the quarters must have been offensive... Because of the weather, building [homes] did not commence until December 25th, and several months went by before the settlers could all permanently leave the ship. In the meantime many of the deaths occurred, mostly from sickness... Fifty-one died the first season.

-- http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/r/a/Kathryn-E-Bradley/GENE4-0040.html

MAYFLOWER PASSENGERS included:

DUNCAN LINE

William Bradford (1590-1657), afterward chosen Governor, and wife
Dorothea May (Bradford) (1590-1620), parents of
--> (4612[2][1]) John Bradford;

ELLIS LINE

(9550) William Brewster IV, the Ruling Elder;
(9551) Mary (Brewster), his wife;
(9551v) Love Brewster, their son;
(9551vi) Wrestling Brewster, another son;
(9551iv[1]) Isaac Allerton Sr., father of Remembrance;
(9558) James Chilton;
his wife, (9559) Susannah Furner (Chilton), and their daughter,
(9559x) Mary Chilton;
(9577iii) Edward Winslow (Jr.), afterward chosen Governor;
(9577iii[2]) Susanna Fuller (White), who later became (Winslow's) wife;
Stephen Hopkins (ABT 1580-1644) and wife,
Elizabeth Fisher (Hopkins) (1595-1640/44), parents of
--> (9587iv[1]) Deborah Hopkins;
Francis Cooke (AFT 1583-1663), father of
--> (9587i[2]) Josiah Cooke;

STUBBS LINE

Remembrance Allerton (1614-1655), daughter of Isaac and mother of
--> (4807iii[1]) Abigail Maverick and
--> (4823v[1]) Elizabeth Maverick


 

FIFTEENTH GENERATION

19096. Thomas Prince I

19097. unknown Maxham

REF: http://www.familysearch.org/Search/af/ancestral_file_frame.asp?recid=7208461

19098. John Tolderby

19099. unknown

19100. (John) William Brewster III

19101. Mary Smythe

SRC: 1. "The Mother of Elder William Brewster" NEHGR 125:250 (1970).
2. The American Genealogist 41:1-5, 63, Jan 1965.
3. NEHGR 111:319-20, Oct 1957
4. New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol 124, pg 150; The Mother of Elder William Brewster of the Mayflower" by John G. Hunt, NEHGR 125:250 (1970)

(19100) (John) William Brewster III was baliff of the Manor of Scrooby, one of the exempt estates of the Archbishop of York, and in 1588 was appointed postmaster by Queen Elizabeth when Scrooby was made a post-house on the road between London and York. These positions made him a man of great importance in the district and provided him with a considerable income.

SIXTEENTH GENERATION

38200. William Brewster II

38201. Maud Mann

38002. William Smythe

38003. unknown

SEVENTEENTH GENERATION

76400. William Brewster I

76401. Prudence Perkins?

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