FOURTEENTH GENERATION
10067. Isabell/ Esabella Wells
i. (poss 5034) Walter Palmer II
"Much research has been done to connect (5034) Walter to an ancestral family. Some believe his family was connected to Sir Anthony Palmer - others believe John Palmer of Parham may be (5034) Walter's ancest[or]. Many records needed for proof have been destroyed or are missing and any records discovered have probably disproved any possibilities.
"We have recorded (10068) Walter Palmer I and (10069) Elizabeth Carter as parents according to the Walter Palmer Society. And, for interested researchers continuing to link (5034) Walter to the John Palmer of Parham family, we have added a "! PALMER MYTH!" connection from John's family to the (10068) Walter Palmer now considered to be Walter's father. However, the (5034) Walter Palmer family of Stonington IS NOT FROM THE PARHAM AND ANGMERING PALMER FAMILY!"
-- http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lanastl&id=I00319 c/o Larry Chesebro' Larry@Chesbro.net
A yDNA study of the various Palmer families has bee conducted, and results may be viewed at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/palmer/#results. The following samples seem to be from this line:
All are of haplogroup R1a1 -- which is most commonly found in Eastern Europe, but is also found in widespread but lesser amounts in W. Europe and Britain. The lines of #101321 George#25552 William are shown below, to the first 25 markers:
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#101321 George Palmer and #25552 William Palmer |
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13 |
24 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
10 |
10 |
13 |
11 |
32 |
15 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
19 |
32 |
11 |
14 |
14 |
17 |
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The markers differ only at DYS 390 and DYS 464a (in both cases, George's values are given first) -- indicating a probable common ancestor, several hundred years ago. #N16746 Benjamin Palmer was only tested for the first 12 markers, all of which exactly match #101321 George Benjamin seems to be descended of Peter of Nine Partners, Dutchess, NY, s/o Peter < Wm of Newton, Long Is. < Wm the immigrant, of Yarmouth, MA < Wm of Stepney, London, b. ABT 1570. That's all we know of that line -- conjectures that the first Wm came from Parham, Somerset have been rebutted.
The R1a1 presence in England seems to be about 4%, with a somewhat higher percentace in Viking-dominated parts of Scotland, such as the Orkney Islands. A particular haplotype of R1a1 is abundant in Clan Donald in Scotland, but the Palmer variety does NOT resemble it. In our case, it is probably of Anglo-Saxon or Norman origin.
A search of Ysearch reveals that several other families have haplotypes very similar to the Palmers, most notably the Drakes of Devonshire (DYS 390=25; 389-2=31; 464a=12) and the Pikes of Wiltshire (generally having DYS 390=24/25; 389-1=13/14; 389-2=32/33; 449=33; and 464a=12). Dorset and Somerset, the two principal counties having been proposed as the homeland of the Palmers, lay squarely between the above two families.
A map of the R1a distribution in Continental Europe follows. A student of history will note that this haplogroup is associated with the Slavic and Scythian people. In the Fourth Century CE, the Slavs were largely subjugated by a Germanic tribe, the Ostrogoths or "East Goths". In the Fifth Century, these were driven out by the Hun expansion -- which immediately preceded with the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain. Drake, Pike and Palmer, along with other surnames in SW England of families sporting R1a1 yDNA, are very Anglo-Saxon (as opposed to Norman, Norse or British) names. It is likely that they all derive from the old Saxon kingdom of Wessex; and before that, probably from the Ostrogoths and Slavs.
Both George and William appear to have, as their most recent common ancestor, (5035vi) Gershom Palmer.
Map SRC: Wikipedia
"(5034) Walter was married for a second time to (5035) Rebecca Short of Roxbury on June 1, 1633. They were married in Roxbury Church, of which she was a member and Rev. John Eliot its Minister. She was one of the first members of his church upon her arrival in America in 1632. Roxbury was generally settled by the people from Essex and Hertfordshire under the leadership of the Rev. John Eliot who had been the Vicar of Nazeing..."
-- http://www.walterpalmer.com/Walter_Palmer_Bio.htm
The above is about all I could find that would shine light on who Rebecca's parents were. Many websites list her parents as (10070) Thomas and (10071) Ann, but none show primary sources. Moreover, various websites have Rebecca as born in Nottingham, Kent, Cornwall and MA -- again, with no primary sources. One website notes that fact that, as a maid, Rebecca was likely the daughter of a prospective immigrant who died on ship; she was subsequently taken on by another immigrant family as a maid, as was the way in such circumstances. She should likely, then, have been born near Nazeing, Essex, as were most of her fellow settlers. I don't know what the "Gillingham, Kent" listing is based on. Perhaps it is the following:
"Abstract of a Will or Administration
"Name – Short
State – England
County – Kent...
"Testator or Deceased – Lucy Short of Gillingham
Bolein, 105...
Date will signed: 4 Oct. 1603
Date estate entered into probate: 2 Dec 1603...
Executors or Administrators: Son, William Short...
Witnesses: Henry Shorte, James Thurston...
Heirs: Bro., Henry Short; Sis., Alice Murgin (and her children, Alice Gooding, Thomas Gooding, Simon Gooding, Elizabeth Gooding and Murgin Davye.) Dau., Elizabeth Short; Sons, (10070?) Thomas Short and William Short, Daus., Margaret
Berry, Dorothy Kent, Joane Edwards. No relationship given on the following:
JAMES and RICHARD ARNOLD at 21; Elizabeth, Richard and John Berry. "
-- http://files.usgwarchives.net/special/afas/unpublished/Virginia/anthonyarnold.txt
(The name Rebecca is conspicuous by its absence)
From Anna Chesebrough Wildey's book, the primary source for thisgenealogy:
"The name of Chesebrough (Cheesbrough as originally spelled in England) is probably derived from Castra, a Camp, like Chester and other English names beginning with Ches. The arms described below are on the tombstones of David Chesebrough and his wife Margaret in old Wequetequock graveyard. The motto on thesestones is 'Virtue is true greatness'. They are given in Burke's General Armory and other books of heraldry.
ARMS. - Gu. three crosses pattee in fess, arranged. between as many waterbougets or. Crest, a demi lion rampant gu. holding between the paws across pattee or. THE MOTTO - In England is Fidei coticula crux (The cross the touchstoneof faith). In America it is also Virtus vera nobilitas (Virtue truenobility). Mottoes may be assumed or altered by the bearer at his pleasure. The College of Arms claims no jurisdiction over them.
THE MOTTO - In England is Fidei coticula crux (The cross the touchstoneof faith). In America it is also Virtus vera nobilitas (Virtue truenobility)...
Anna (Wildey) began her research in 1893, following the effort of Rev. Amos S. Chesebrough's research ca 1850 that included three generations of William Chesebrough and his family...
-- Larry Chesebro' LaNa-StL@inlink.com 1997
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