FOURTEENTH GENERATION
10067. Isabell/ Esabella Wells
i. (poss 5034) Walter Palmer II
"Much research has been done to connect (5034) Walter to an ancestral family. Some believe his family was connected to Sir Anthony Palmer - others believe John Palmer of Parham may be (5034) Walter's ancest[or]. Many records needed for proof have been destroyed or are missing and any records discovered have probably disproved any possibilities.
"We have recorded (10068) Walter Palmer I and (10069) Elizabeth Carter as parents according to the Walter Palmer Society. And, for interested researchers continuing to link (5034) Walter to the John Palmer of Parham family, we have added a "! PALMER MYTH!" connection from John's family to the (10068) Walter Palmer now considered to be Walter's father. However, the (5034) Walter Palmer family of Stonington IS NOT FROM THE PARHAM AND ANGMERING PALMER FAMILY!"
-- http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lanastl&id=I00319 c/o Larry Chesebro' Larry@Chesbro.net
A yDNA study of the various Palmer families has bee conducted, and results may be viewed at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/palmer/#results. The following samples seem to be from this line:
All are of haplogroup R1a1 -- which is most commonly found in Eastern Europe, but is also found in widespread but lesser amounts in W. Europe and Britain. The lines of #101321 George#25552 William are shown below, to the first 25 markers:
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#101321 George Palmer and #25552 William Palmer |
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25 |
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32 |
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17 |
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The markers differ only at DYS 390 and DYS 464a (in both cases, George's values are given first) -- indicating a probable common ancestor, several hundred years ago. #N16746 Benjamin Palmer was only tested for the first 12 markers, all of which exactly match #101321 George Benjamin seems to be descended of Peter of Nine Partners, Dutchess, NY, s/o Peter < Wm of Newton, Long Is. < Wm the immigrant, of Yarmouth, MA < Wm of Stepney, London, b. ABT 1570. That's all we know of that line -- conjectures that the first Wm came from Parham, Somerset have been rebutted.
The R1a1 presence in England seems to be about 4%, with a somewhat higher percentace in Viking-dominated parts of Scotland, such as the Orkney Islands. A particular haplotype of R1a1 is abundant in Clan Donald in Scotland, but the Palmer variety does NOT resemble it. In our case, it is probably of Anglo-Saxon or Norman origin.
A search of Ysearch reveals that several other families have haplotypes very similar to the Palmers, most notably the Drakes of Devonshire (DYS 390=25; 389-2=31; 464a=12) and the Pikes of Wiltshire (generally having DYS 390=24/25; 389-1=13/14; 389-2=32/33; 449=33; and 464a=12). Dorset and Somerset, the two principal counties having been proposed as the homeland of the Palmers, lay squarely between the above two families.
A map of the R1a distribution in Continental Europe follows. A student of history will note that this haplogroup is associated with the Slavic and Scythian people. In the Fourth Century CE, the Slavs were largely subjugated by a Germanic tribe, the Ostrogoths or "East Goths". In the Fifth Century, these were driven out by the Hun expansion -- which immediately preceded with the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain. Drake, Pike and Palmer, along with other surnames in SW England of families sporting R1a1 yDNA, are very Anglo-Saxon (as opposed to Norman, Norse or British) names. It is likely that they all derive from the old Saxon kingdom of Wessex; and before that, probably from the Ostrogoths and Slavs.
Both George and William appear to have, as their most recent common ancestor, (5035vi) Gershom Palmer.
Map SRC: Wikipedia
10075. Elizabeth "Ann" (Smith) Brewster
"PALMER, ...(10075ii) JOHN, Charlestown, perhaps came in the Elizabeth, 1634, from Ipswich, aged 24, was freem. 2 June 1641, and d. 24 Aug. 1677, aged 62, unless the gr.st. be wrong, or misread."
-- James Savage, "A Genealogical Dictionary Of the First Setlers of New England Before 1692", c/o http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newengland/savage/
"PALMER, ...(10075iii) WILLIAM, Charlestown 1640, may have been s. of (10074) Walter, and of Stonington 1666, of Killingworth, than call. Kenilworth, as in all decency it should contin. to be, in 1670. Ten of this name had, in 1834, been gr. at Harv. six at Yale, and six at the other N. E. coll."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
"GRISWOLD, ...FRANCIS, Cambridge 1639, perhaps br. of the preced. perhaps cous. by w. Mary had Mary, b. 28 Oct. 1639; Hannah, 3 Feb. 1643, d. at two mos. and Hannah, again, 4 Mar. 1645; was [[vol. 2, p. 317]] freem. 1645, liv. at Charlestown 1649, and d. soon. His wid. m. William Bullard. Often this name is Grissell, Grisill, Grisold, Greshold, and Greshould."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
9 Nov. 1692 Rehoboth, Bristol, MA
"CARPENTER, ...WILLIAM, Weymouth, came in the Bevis 1638, from Southampton, aged 62, a carpenter from Horwell, says the clearance at custom ho. with William, 33, prob. his s. and Abigail, w. of the latter, 32, and four gr.ch. "of ten yrs. old or less," not nam. in that docum. was freem. 13 May 1640, rep. 1641, and 3, and d. in the ninter of 1659, 60. His will, of 10 Dec. pro. 7 Feb. foll. names s. John and his s. but of this br. nothing is seen after; William, and his s. John; Joseph, and his s. Joseph; Abigail; Samuel; Hannah; and (10075iv[2]) Abigail; and gives to s. of (10075iv[2][1]) John Titus, wh. had m. testator's d. But I fear some incongr. of time will hardly be reconcil."
-- James Savage, op. cit.
"PALMER, ...(10075iv) JONAS, or JONATHAN, Rehoboth 1668, s. of (10074) Walter"
-- James Savage, op. cit.
"(10075) Elizabeth was called "Ann" to distinguish her from her mother according to Fred Carlisle, secretary of the Historical Society of Detroit, Michigan. His source was Emily Leavitt's "Palmer Groups", page 15, published 1901. However, the Smith and Brewster association is not confirmed and many researchers do not even acknowledge her given name(s)."
All the children immigrated to Salem, Essex, MA June 1629 on the Four Sisters, from Gravesend, Kent
-- http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lanastl&id=I00320 c/o Larry Chesebro' Larry@Chesbro.net
10077. Elizabeth (/Ann /Martha /T.) Young
30 Mar. 1648 Windsor, Hartford, CT
"Thomas Moore probably came in 1633 from England. His name is not among the
first settlers of Dorchester. He does apprears to be the juror in 1639 and '42
in Windsor. He d. 1645, he res. on Broad St. probably with his son deacon John."
-- http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=neva03&id=I663
"In the book "Families of Early Milford, Conn." by Susan Abbott in the section of Miles Moore of Milford, CT (1651) and New London (1680) it says he came from Powerstock, co. Dorset, England..."
-- http://genforum.genealogy.com/moore/messages/11499.html c/o Robert Lincoln drrlincoln@aol.com
"I have some information on Miles Moor and some of his family which was sent to me by an internet acquaintance. He has Miles born in Southwold, Suffolk, Eng. 1620. His source for the Moor Family is "Moor Family" manuscript, Charles. L.N.Camp, CT Historical Society." I have not had the opportunity to check this for myself but the rest of the work which this man sent to me seems to be carefully done.
My husband descends from Able Moor, the 6th child of Miles Moor and Isabel Joiner..."
-- http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Southwold,Miles::moore::16503.html c/o Jean Heacock jzh@net-lynx.com
"Miles and his wife probably came from England although there are no records."
-- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/lane/9458/moore.html
From Anna Chesebrough Wildey's book, the primary source for thisgenealogy:
"The name of Chesebrough (Cheesbrough as originally spelled in England) is probably derived from Castra, a Camp, like Chester and other English names beginning with Ches. The arms described below are on the tombstones of David Chesebrough and his wife Margaret in old Wequetequock graveyard. The motto on thesestones is 'Virtue is true greatness'. They are given in Burke's General Armory and other books of heraldry.
ARMS. - Gu. three crosses pattee in fess, arranged. between as many waterbougets or. Crest, a demi lion rampant gu. holding between the paws across pattee or. THE MOTTO - In England is Fidei coticula crux (The cross the touchstoneof faith). In America it is also Virtus vera nobilitas (Virtue truenobility). Mottoes may be assumed or altered by the bearer at his pleasure. The College of Arms claims no jurisdiction over them.
THE MOTTO - In England is Fidei coticula crux (The cross the touchstoneof faith). In America it is also Virtus vera nobilitas (Virtue truenobility)...
Anna (Wildey) began her research in 1893, following the effort of Rev. Amos S. Chesebrough's research ca 1850 that included three generations of William Chesebrough and his family...
-- Larry Chesebro' LaNa-StL@inlink.com 1997
40288. William Myner (/Mynard)
"The ancestry of (5036) Thomas Minor, or Myner (1608) presents a major problem for some. The "Herauldical Essay Upon the Surname of Miner" was accepted as authentic for over 300 years. This manuscript is held by the Connecticut Historical Society. It is a work of art, but probably is a work of creativity. Research in 1979 & 1984 (NEHGS July 1984 v. 138, pp. 182-5) failed to substantiate it. Therefore, all claimed ancestors of Thomas prior to those listed below are at best questionable:
"...(William Myner) may be related to John Minere who appears on a Chew Magna manor account roll for the year 1494-5 as paying for grass on 46 acres of meadow or to Joan Minere, a widow, who appears on that roll as paying a tax known as churchscot.
-- http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lanastl&id=I00294; http://alum.wpi.edu/~p_miner/Miner1.html
