FOURTEENTH GENERATION
9508. (Mathew/) Matthew Maho/ Maihew/ Mayoo
"There is extensive data within "History of Martha's Vineyard, MA" by Banks, 1911. All 3 volumes need to be studied to piece together the history of (4754) Thomas MAYHEW, Sr. Founder of the Colony there. Banks (who cited sources)and Net data (which never cites a source) indicates he desc. from Simon MAYHEW/MAYHOW of Dynton, Wiltshire Eng. Banks is good, but we need a LOT of research to sort out the garbage:
"Simon (D); Robert (C) and Joan BRIDEMORE with eldest son John... 3rd child & son was Thomas (B) of Tisbury, Wilts. who m. Alice ( ? WATERMAN) & produced (9508) Matthew (A) who m. (9509) Alice BARTER. Matthew (A) was the father of (4754) Thomas (1) (Bapt. Apr. 1593, Tisbury, Wilts. Eng.)."
-- Yankee Woman bigazonie@yahoo.com c/o http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?gallion::mayhew::893.html
9513. unknown (F)
Nobody knows for sure who William Gifford's father was, but we do know what his yDNA probably was:
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Gifford yDNA samples from Somerset & Dorsetshire are also Hg R1b1, but unrelated (2-3 divergences on the first 12 markers, and 7-8 on the first 25). The yDNA of (4995ii[1]) Stephen Gifford of Norwich, CT is also R1b1, but unrelated. Samples from Cambridge & Huntingdonshire, and a sample from a French Canadian line, are of completely different haplogroups (I and G2, respectively). Apparently, no samples have been tested from London, Kent, Berks or Ireland, among other places.
REF: http://members.cox.net/swarling/gifford/GiffordDNA.htm
The following are definitely or probably NOT the father of William:
Somewhat less convincing criticisms have been offered concerning:
The arguments against the preceeding William (assuming the apprentice Tailor and the husband of Elizabeth Grant are the same) are that (1) the American William was not called "Mr.", as befitted his guild membership, (2) a certain William Gifford was buried at St. Margaret Westminster in 1643, (3) it is speculated that Anthony Giffard of Ireland was identical to an Anthony s/o Humphrey of Devonshire who had a son William, but the names of the American William's children do not match those of the Devonshire family; and finally, (4) No record can be found for children of Ananias of London.
Concerning the first criticism, I will note that the American William had become a Quaker, and may have dispensed with the title of "Mr." Concerning the second objection, there is nothing to connect with certainty the person buried in Westminster with our William. Concerning the third charge, the Devonshire-Ireland connection is speculative. As for the childrens' names, the fact that William named his son the rather unusual name of "Hananiah" strongly suggests a kinship with Ananias. As for Ananias probably having no children, this merely suggests that he may have been William's uncle or other relative.
London's population grew, from 150,000 in the mid-1500s, to an estimated 384,000 in 1666, so it shouldn't be surprizing to find three Gifford and two Grigg families there. But all of them tailors? That does seem to be quite a coincidence, seeing that these were not common names.
c. 24 Oct. 1588 St,. Clement Danes, Westminster
Thomas Gifford
(c. 23 Jan. 1573? of Eastbury, Lambourne, Berks)
apprenticed Michael Grigg Jr. through
Merchant Taylors Company, London 1608
Ananias Gifford,
(b. 1578/79 s/o Henry Gifford of Sevenoaks, Kent)
Merchant Tailor of St. Peter Westcheap
m. Hester Grigg (b. 1575/76 d/o Thomas Grigg) 1606 by license
Ananias Gifford, Tailor of London
m. Mary Read 1621 St. Martin in the Fields, Middlesex
died 1623; leased property in Pauls Walk to Thomas Gifford
William Gifford
s/o Anthony Gifford, of Dublin, Ireland
apprenticed as Tailor in London 1628
William Gifford
m. Elizabeth Grant 11 Feb. 1635/36 St. Martin in the Fields, Middlesex
"(9516) CROW, ...JOHN, Charlestown 1635, whose w. (9516[2]) Elishua came, says Frothingham, 84, in the preced. yr. and we see in Budington she was rec. of the ch. 4 Jan. of this yr. had (9516[2]a) Moses, bapt. 24 June 1637, wh. prob. d. young; (9516[2]b) John, perhaps 1638, in wh. yr. he rem. to the new planta. of Yarmouth, in Plymouth Col. bec. freem. 1640, rep. 1641-3, and d. Jan. 1673; had, I presume, b. at Y. (9516[2]c) Samuel and (9516[2]d) Thomas, perhaps more ch."
-- James Savage c/o http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newengland/savage/
9517. unknown prob. Yelverton
"GILLETT, or JELLETT, ...(9517i[2]) JOHN, Boston, m. 22 Dec. 1663, wid. (9517i) Elizabeth Perry, had Hannah, b. 12 Oct. 1654; and he d. no long time after, as may be judg. for his wid. m. 6 Dec. [[vol. 2, p. 256]] 1656, William Wardell. See Geneal. Reg. XII. 275."
-- James Savage c/o http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newengland/savage/
"John Hunt's brief article in TAG (35:173 [1959]) on the origin of Crowell and Crowe families of New England says "The wife of (9516) John Crowe was buried at New Buckenham, Norfolk, 21st day, 3d month, 1626 [Parish Register]." Note that it never says what the name of this wife was. Now we definitely know that there was an (9516[2]) Elishua Crowe in NE because she was admitted to Charlestown church 4 Jan 1634/5 [see _The Great Migration Begins_, Vol 2 C-F: 245]. I have never seen the name 'Elishua' anywhere in 20 years of research other than in this family. I conclude the name must be rather uncommon. Do you really think it's possible that John found one here and one there? Going by what's in TGMB, (4758) Yelverton and (9517i) Elizabeth, John's first two children, have estimated birth years of 1615 and 1617. John and Moses, children 3 and 4, were born about 1635 and 1637. John Crowe arrived in New England in 1634.
"I think that we must consider the hypothesis that Elishua _____ was John's second wife and the mother of (9516[2]b) John and (9516[2]a) Moses. If the John Crowe who's wife was buried in Norfolk is the same John Crowe as ours, then she was the mother of Yelverton and Elizabeth as well as a daughter not mentioned in TGMB but who is mentioned by Hunt: "(9517iii) Nasare" baptized 21st day, 6th month, 1626 [ibid] (the people who have read the register have had difficulty discerning this name) but we don't know this wife's/mother's name. I only have three print sources for this family and there may be other reliable sources that do name her, but the wide estimated gap of 18 years between children Elizabeth and John surely suggests that John Crowe married in Norfolk and had at least three children, then married Elishua and had two more children.
"The experts have speculated that the first wife was a Yelverton for two reasons: 1) The surname Yelverton is common where the Crowes lived in Norfolk. To see it show up as a given name for John Crowe's first child forces us to consider a direct family relationship. 2) There was an Edward Yelverton in Norfolk and his wife was named "Nazareth". He was a generation older than John Crowe. We surely must conclude that the child "Nasare" was named after her maternal grandmother Nazareth. The proximity of the mother's death and Nasare's baptism certainly suggests that the mother's death may have been from complications of childbirth. Who knows? Perhaps the mother herself was named Nazareth and the baby's name commemorated both her mother and her grandmother. So here's what I think the bottom line is: John Crowe married 1) probably in Norfolk say 1614 _____ Yelverton and married 2) probably immediate before or after immigration (1634) Elishua _____. I welcome all commentary and analysis as well as additional evidence (not IGI or Ancestral File, puh-lease!)."
-- http://genforum.genealogy.com/crowell/messages/1301.html c/o Timothy C. Coyne roots.man@verizon.net
19008. Robert (/Richard) Tupper.
Tupper -- The history of this ancient Saxony family traces its ancestry as a family of Huegenot origin before the year 1100 and appears first in the ancient records in Saxony.
