FOURTEENTH GENERATION
"Here the Holland paper trail ends. There were no Rosenkranses living in Holland in the late 1800's when Allen (Rosenkrans) was conducting his investigation. Were some or all of them ultimately exiled? Dirck was known to be living in Holland more than 35 years after his father was exiled, so he may not have been. Did he die childless, or did the male line end at some point? Were there other family members, and were any of them exiled too? We do not know."
-- http://www.rosedalesoftware.com/genealogy/genealogy.htm
"SRC: Oct. 1991 updated of AF. Per "the Rosenkrans Family in Europe and America", by Allen Rosenkrans.
Hendrick = Henrick Microfilm #1036065, Item 3 . . . (2212) Henrik, The Burgesell of Norway, who says he was the son of (4424) Herman the Fisherman who went from Holland to Norway, born a descendant of (8848) Capt. Deik Rosenkrantz of the Civil Guard of Amsterdam
-- http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/FILE/0020text.txt?Welcome=1022459372
Results for a 12-marker yDNA test for a descendant of Harmon Rosencrans (~1634-1697) are available on Ysearch. Out of 128 individuals submitting test results to Ysearch (for which the place of earliest known ancestry in the Old World is known), of yDNA within one marker of the Rosenkrans sample, 123 had earliest known ancestors living withing the colored area in the map below. Since Norway lies outside of this area, and the Netherlands lies within, it is more likely that the Rosenkrans family originated in the Netherlands than in Norway. This lends credence to the "Herman the Fisherman" story, above.
Armorial evidence, however, links the Rosenkranses of the Netherlands with (18,120,704) Erik of Holstein. Holstein is just as much outside the main "Rosenkrans Haplotype" area as Norway; This gives credence to the tradition that Eric was descended of the MacDonalds of Scotland -- and indeed, Ysearch user #SDTK3, descended from John McDonald (~1775-) of Ayrshire, has yDNA that differs in its first 12 markers from that of Harmon by only one marker (DYS 389-1 is 13 instead of 12).
The violet-colored areas on the map, by the way, have the highest concentration of Rosenkrans-like yDNA. Note that Scotland is in a higher-concentration area than the Netherlands.
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Ysearch user #7QNQP Harmon Rosecrans b. ABT 1634 Bergen, Bergen, Norway d. ABT 1697 |
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In the writings on "The Troubles brought to Valenciennes on account of Heresies," one notes that the names De la Vigne and Cuvelier (the latter the French equivalent of the Dutch Cuvilje) frequently occur in the index of victims of the Spanish Inquisition. Surviving relatives likely fled religious persecution to tolerant Holland. There, a (8860) Jean de la Vigne served as Amsterdam's Walloon dominie from 1585. -- New York Genealogical and Biographical Society record, v.90, pp.2-14. c/o William L. DeCoursey decoursey@earthlink.net In France, a Cuvelier was a barrel-maker. The name Vigne means "vine" in French, and is most often associated with vineyards for making wine. The history of this ancient Namur family traces its ancestry as a family of Belgian origin before the year 1100.
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17696. Jacob Dirksen Rosenkrantz
"A Jacob Dircksen Rosenkrantz was known to be living in Amsterdam, Holland, in 1552. His coat of arms was the same one used by Erik's branch... Jacob's son, (8848) Dirck (Deik) Jacobzen Roosecrans, was a Captain of the Civil Guards and later Commissioner of Matrimonial Affairs, 1589 and 1603. Dirck also used the coat of arms of his father, Jacob. In 1567, (17696) Jacob Dircksen's property was confiscated and he was exiled by the Spanish Duke of Alva `for the state of his religion.' He had traded in Erik's Catholicism for the Calvinism which was making inroads in Europe at that time"
-- http://www.rosedalesoftware.com/genealogy/genealogy.htm
35392. Wigger Jacobsen Rosenkrantz
Others have proposed a (35392) Dirck Roosencrans, b. ABT 1505 Netherlands
-- http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/FILE/0020text.txt?Welcome=1022459372
70784. Erick Jacob Rosenkrantz
1,132,544. Johannes Rosenkrantz
4,530,176. Jacobsen Rosenkrantz
18,120,704. Erik av Herringholm
"This Erik, or Erichs, of Holstein, the first known head of the Danish Noble Family (in 1227) which subsequently to the name Rosenkrantz had a son named . . ." NOTE: ROSENKRANTZ (ROSE WREATH) NAME USED ON FAMILY COAT OF ARMS AFTER 1325 THEN FORMALIZED ABT 1524 WHEN NOBLE FAMILY NAMES BECAME LAW UNDER THE KING OF DENMARK. Page 26 gives the line "ERIK to HERRINGHOLM" meaning ERIK of HERRINGHOLM which is the ancestral home of the ROSENKRANDS family in Denmark. ERIK probably came from northern Denmark or Norway. According to tradition, ERIK must have been a warrior (crusader) and an ancestor of his, a MACK DONALD, of Scotland, who probably married and settled in Norway or Denmark about the year 830 AD. For a complete list of descendants see the RosenFam disk."
-- "THE ROSENKRANS FAMILY IN EUROPE AND AMERICA" BY ALLEN ROSENKRANS 1900, PAGE 35 c/o http://www.rosenkrantz-genealogy.org/Book/S05_EuropeSummary.html and http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/FILE/0042text.txt
